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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.26 13:43:00 -
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Better, but with comments/questions.
Iteron Mark II and IV's description of what it can haul is a little cryptic, can they be clarified. Specifically:
1) Can the Iteron Mark IV haul compressed ore
2) Which can haul refined ore (Tritanium, Isogen, etc). The description is slightly cryptic.
3) Which can haul melted ice products (isotopes, heavy water, strontium, Ozone)
4) Can the new bays be expandable through use of rigs and/or cargo expanders?
5) Can any (or all of them), be set to given the ability to haul pure fuel (actual fuel blocks). If not all of them, which one?
6) Can or will the Iteron Mark III be permitted to haul in POS batteries (Such as Gun Turrets, Sensor Dampening Modules, Resistance Batteries, etc). Reason I ask, is that it seems the most "fit" to do that.
Comment:
The Iteron Mark II and Iteron Mark IV seem to overlap a bit (one being a Mineral Hauler, the Other one a Ore Hauler), Couldn't the "Mineral" and "Ore Hauler" role be combined into 1 ship? and the extra ship be repurposed (they just seem to do the same thing, but would require jumping into an entirely new ship after dumping the ore/ice/gas into the processor for processing.
Other than that, long as the 5% per level applies to those bays, seems the haulers will be improved.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.26 13:47:00 -
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The mineral hauler should include refined ice (Isotopes, heavy water, ozone, stront).
Ty Seph missed his comments above. |
Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:43:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:Let's see--all the same, slightly different. This one does this, that one does that. GREAT! Fantastic changes!
Thanks for making them all be able to haul, with each doing it a little bit differently. A couple of questions I'd ask though:
Is it possible to have 2x launchers on the Badger Mark II, or would that be unbalanced? Is the 55000 PI bay, for example, at max skills or is it lower and +25% to get 55000?
Otherwise, thanks so much for listening to our feedback and delivering in spades! Now make a hauler that performs hauling better than a mining support ship!
I think those were base stats, if so, the ships will be of good use.
The mineral hauler still would need to have the ability to move ice products though I think. |
Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:52:00 -
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Actually if you "REALLY" want the ammo hauler to be a popular ship...
Have it able to haul Strontium.
Ran the numbers on the Ore Hauler, it is decent for hauling ore/ice, but the Mineral hauler would really have to be changed in order to haul refined Ice products (isotopes, heavy water, etc). If it can.. then I would consider the whole industrial change a good start.
In otherwords, the only real change thats now needed is the Mineral Hauling Iteron to be able to haul refined ice products (just as it can haul refined ore products (Isogen, Tritanium).
Here is the concept. Ore hauler goes out, hauls ore, bring it to refinery, refinery refines the product, the mineral hauler hauls the minerals where it needs to go. The mineral hauler currently does not haul ice products (but the ore hauler can haul ice blocks). Thats the only real change I see that's needed. |
Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:00:00 -
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*doublepost |
Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:26:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I would be willing to give up 5k of PI hold for a 5k command center hold.
The final PI hold would be 56250m^3 and then the 5k command center hold, and then the standard cargo hold.
No. The main benefit of that hauler is to haul PI. The command center is a 1 shot deal. To lose 5k hold cause of the center would... Just no.
If the center can fit inside the PI hold itself, good. Don't chop the hold just becaus of the center itself.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:04:00 -
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The Mineral Hauler still needs to be able to haul melted/processed Ice products.
Will the Ore hauler be able to haul compressed ore? |
Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:19:00 -
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I would name them this:
The Iteron Mark IV (Ore hauler), The Goliath
Iteron Mark II (Mineral Hauler), the Behemoth
Iteron Mar IV (Planetary Hauler), The Conveyor (too close to the Covetor, but works eitherway)
Will the Goliath be able to haul compressed ore (on that note, compressed ice?) |
Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.26 19:55:00 -
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Will the ore ship be able to haul compressed ore and compressed ice? |
Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.26 20:57:00 -
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Anshu Zephyran wrote:Love these changes! My only wish is that for the Iteron I get enough bandwith for a full flight of lights.
I somewhat can't fathom the drones helping outside of a very lucky ecm hit. Doesn't hurt the ship I suppose.
This is a good start. Though now I have to train a few of my alts down the gallente path (level 4 should do fine).
Also.. will the mineral/build cost change? |
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:10:00 -
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Thats what was missing.
The New Ammo Hauler (Hoarder), should be able to haul POS modules in its hold also (or the new Iteron II). One of them should be able to grab and haul/move POS modules/batteries, hangers, SBU's, Claim Units, etc.
That would cover about everything needed regarding mass hauling. |
Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.27 09:16:00 -
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Milton Middleson wrote:What immediately jumps out at me is that the Iteron Mk. II, even with the oversized specialist bay, is still inferior to a regular hauler loaded with the standard array of mineral compression mods. It wins in terms of accessibility, I suppose, but I'd expect that someone really interested in moving minerals around is probably going to ditch it for an Iteron V or Bestower full of compression mods as soon as possible. You might want to consider making that bay significantly larger (or, more radically, making minerals significantly smaller).
That is a specific issue with compression, but the point is still valid. I think we all see a issue with the Mineral Iteron. Essentially it doesn't do enough.
If it could also haul isotopes, water, ozone (aka the minerals of processed ice), it would be much less of an issue.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.27 10:37:00 -
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Those who take hauling will take gallente industrial to level 4. Those skills increase the bay by 10,000 m3.
So yea, its 3 days. |
Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:29:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I think our art guys are awesome. Its more about where we want their attention than how much attention they have.
I chatted with Fozzie about the Orca and neither of us feel that any change is necessary for either ship. The Orca does so much more than haul Ore that there really isn't much tension between them.
Oh I almost see a threadnaught coming.
If the following is addressed, it would be fine:
Fuel block hauling, refined ice hauling, pos module hauling. |
Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.07.01 14:24:00 -
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Wulfys Cleanup wrote:We still need a t1, t2 that can carry a packaged battleship. It is stupid that we have to train for an orca or a freighter in an industrial sense, when it's faster to train to fly the ship it self to haul it.
Even giving a ship the capability to haul 2 packaged battleships will not interfere with the roles of the orca and freighter, but servers a middleground.
If this can be done trough a container or special bay, it will not be able to be abused, and the m3 problem solved
There is actually a reason for not being able to carry over 50,000m3 of general storage in a T1 (or T2) industrial.
Currently C1 wormholes have a mass limit of 20,000,000 m3. In simple terms, everything BUT a battleship can fit into that wormhole (a battleship is too massive that it will not fit). For a point of reference, the ORCA cannot fit into a C1. A Retriever (mining barge) can fit into a C1, the Covetor (also a mining barge), Cannot.
Giving the T1 and T1 small industrial the ability to fit battleship hulls would circumvent the C1 mass limitation on battleship hulls. Currently the only way to bring a BS or higher into a C1 is to build it in there, but then it cannot ever leave.
There might be a few other reasons but those are the ones I know of atm.
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Phoenix Jones
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:41:00 -
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Well I do hope you still look at using the mineral hauler as a ice product hauler also |
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